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A Horn Speaker Which Is Not A Horn Speaker

MakeMineVinyl

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https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2017/11/08/capital-audiofest-2017-gary-gils-magic-horn-loudspeakers/

Somewhere in the fog of lost generations of engineers who knew what was and was not a horn, I have seen the above type of speaker being accepted more often than not as a true horn; it is not. The examples are numerous beyond the above; companies like Klipsch and others seem to have become selectively ignorant of what a horn is and isn't.

For the record, the presence of some type of megaphone thingy in front of an otherwise conventional speaker driver only makes use of a relatively small part of what constitutes the principal advantage of horns - dynamic realism coupled with efficiency.

The missing part is the compression driver. The definition of a compression driver is that the sound undergoes literal compression from the time it is produced by a diaphragm to the time it enters the horn structure proper. The way this is accomplished is that the exit hole from the compression driver is physically smaller than the diaphragm; a 2 to 1 ratio is common. This creates a higher pressure entering the horn itself which is transformed (its acoustic impedance is transformed) to that of the air at the mouth of the horn.

True compression drivers are expensive and difficult to make. There needs to be a phasing plug directly in front of the diaphragm so that the sound from the edges and the center of the diaphragm - the edge path is slightly longer than the center - enter the throat of the horn at the exact same time and in the proper phase relationship.

You can spot a pretender horn by the fact that the diameter of the speaker driver is the same size or larger than the entrance of the throat of the horn. In the above "horn" system, this is clearly the case, and absolutely no compression is taking place before the sound enters the horn. Also, the back of the speaker driver is open to the room, which introduces more weirdness.

Yes, yes, I know. I get it. This is all semantics to a degree. However I still believe that technologies get diluted in effectiveness from their full, original potential over time as succeeding generations of designers become more and more ignorant of what they are actually doing, and increasingly have little or no contact with a genuine example of what they are trying to emulate.

Also, that bastard which is marketing rears its ugly head as more and more consumers have less and less actual contact with the genuine article of this or that mature technology. This opens them up to influence by snake oil salesmen, and they don't even realize they've been bitten by a snake.

So, take this is a touchstone as it were. A reality check, that hopefully makes whoever reads this a tiny bit wiser and discriminating in their shopping for audio gear. If you buy a fake horn, there's nothing particularly wrong with that - just realize what you actually have, and don't assume its something more than what it is.
 
Now I know, thanks.
Couldn't you really just call these things oversized waveguides ?
 
Now I know, thanks.
Couldn't you really just call these things oversized waveguides ?
Yes, you could call these waveguides, but you could also call the megaphones that high school cheerleaders use the same thing, or when you cup your hands around your mouth to yell at somebody.

Regardless, no compression driver, no horn, no dice.
 
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I posted this image cutaway of a compression driver several years ago, but here it is again; this is the Altec Lansing 802 which I use with my Voice of the Theater. You can clearly see that the diameter of the diaphragm is larger than the exit hole which is the narrowest part in the path below. The part just beyond this is the beginning of the actual horn, which is attached by the two screw studs on the right and goes on for something like 18 inches more in an exponential flare.

It should be apparent that manufacturing something like this is not a trivial or cheap endeavor.

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I run Altec 802-8G drivers on 511B horns in my main rig, JBL LE85 drivers on JBL 2397 custom wood horns in the sun room, Klipsch K69A drivers on K402 horns in the home theater and Klipsch K53TI drivers on K701 horns in the guest room. I love horns.
 
I run Altec 802-8G drivers on 511B horns in my main rig, JBL LE85 drivers on JBL 2397 custom wood horns in the sun room, Klipsch K69A drivers on K402 horns in the home theater and Klipsch K53TI drivers on K701 horns in the guest room. I love horns.
One trick I picked up while working at the Altec factory was to place Aquaplas on the outside of the 511 horn from the back of the mounting flange back to the part where there is the initial expansion of the throat. This dampens resonances tremendously. Knocking on the horn, its dead inert. The same effect can be had by applying about 3/8 inch thickness of Bondo auto body putty in place of the Aquaplas. You might give it a try.
 
One trick I picked up while working at the Altec factory was to place Aquaplas on the outside of the 511 horn from the back of the mounting flange back to the part where there is the initial expansion of the throat. This dampens resonances tremendously. Knocking on the horn, its dead inert. The same effect can be had by applying about 3/8 inch thickness of Bondo auto body putty in place of the Aquaplas. You might give it a try.

I sprayed automotive undercoating on the outside of the horn and I lay a 2 pound lead shot bag (diving weight) in the top lip. This thing is dead.
 
Speaking of vibration and resonances, those mega-phone, wave guide thingy's, or whatever you want to call them. Must ring like giant bells as their is no structure/bracing backing them up. The sheer size, weight and ungainly aesthetics of damping those vibrations, will keep them as they were designed to be. Which is to look elegant as for example Avent's Garde speaker line.

https://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/en/horn-technology.html Some cool horn porn with some ambient music in the background and engineer's talking speakers. One question I would like to ask them, is a spherical horn (wave guide) really the ideal horn shape? They say it is found in nature, but I am not familiar with perfectly spherical horns being used in nature, well not for sound reproduction. Plus even nature is not perfect and can be improved on sometimes.

Thanks for breaking down the basics of compression drivers for us Rammis. Especially now that I have speakers with true horns, well from 700hz up anyway.
 
Speaking of vibration and resonances, those mega-phone, wave guide thingy's, or whatever you want to call them. Must ring like giant bells as their is no structure/bracing backing them up. The sheer size, weight and ungainly aesthetics of damping those vibrations, will keep them as they were designed to be. Which is to look elegant as for example Avent's Garde speaker line.

https://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/en/horn-technology.html Some cool horn porn with some ambient music in the background and engineer's talking speakers. One question I would like to ask them, is a spherical horn (wave guide) really the ideal horn shape? They say it is found in nature, but I am not familiar with perfectly spherical horns being used in nature, well not for sound reproduction. Plus even nature is not perfect and can be improved on sometimes.

They are usually made of a plastic or fiberglass which doesn't ring like a metal horn would (like the Altec horns). That doesn't mean they don't have resonances, but just that they are of a different character and better damped.
 
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