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Another shot across the bough --- the end of Austin as we knew it

Flint

Prodigal Son
Superstar
The very popular, and relatively new, Westin Hotel in Austin, TX, is suing their next door neighbor, the Nook, a well-established music and party bar, over the noise of the live music that makes this venue successful.

http://keyetv.com/news/local/hotel-...-music-district-files-lawsuit-over-loud-music

For the past 5 years I have had to watch classic venues, restaurants, bars, and BBQ joints go extinct. The performance homes of the great Austin musicians that made this town the "Live Music Capital of the World" are now history.

Why? Death from its own popularity. People LOVE Austin and are moving here in shocking numbers. It is said that on average 17 people relocate to the Austin area every day. It has been this way for over a decade. Heck, I am one of those interlopers who moved here in the mid-1990s in search of my fortune and future life.

Austin used to be packed with live bands playing from 10pm until 2am, and sometimes later at the clubs who got all-night permits (not serving drinks after 2am). One could park on 7th Street and walk around for a dozen blocks in nearly any direction and find hundreds of acts jamming their tunes. Today most of the classic venues are shut down, though some have re-opened under new owners in new locations (most of those are not anything close to the original - they are more like museum halls, or the Hard Rock Restaurants, full of photos and memorabilia, but not the vibe or acts that made the old places legendary).

The residential buildings that sprung up in downtown Austin were seen as a huge boost for the city, but the people moving in realized that what brought them to Austin, the free-thinking, fun-loving, music watching nightlife party atmosphere was not conducive to sleep, concentration, and maintaining a good job, life balance, or raising children. They started seeing if they could use existing rules and ordinances to quell the all-night distractions, and while that wasn't enough to help them sleep, they started flooding into city council meetings, registering complaints on a daily basis, and running for office. They are now winning. Every week there is a new story about some new and more restrictive ordinance, or lawsuit, or club shutting down. Smokers at the classic BBQ joints are turning off. Even restaurants are vanishing only to be replaced by big national chains who are bringing a totally new atmosphere to the city. The "Keep Austin Weird" organization, who's mission is to try to maintain local business ownership and keep national conglomerates out of the city, is struggling to maintain the classic city.

Many venues can no longer have a live band after 10:30pm because of the noise and instead put on a DJ where the SPL can be controlled. Back in the day you didn't leave home to see your favorite bands until 10:00pm and the bands played until 1:30 or 2:00 am. Now, if you want to see your young, creative, unsigned band, you have to catch them at 8:00pm because they are often off the stage by 10:00pm. This really sucks.

There are still about two dozen venues which can play music all night, like Stubbs BBQ and the Parish, but those are fading as the vibe of the nightlife in Austin changes. Today more people go downtown for wild abandonment, excessive drinking, drug use, and getting laid. More and more people are passing out on the sidewalk than ever and the drug problem is growing to the point the police are asking the public for help. The party bars are well known for selling super-cheap liquor to youngsters and they cannot handle the masses of people who crowd their doorways. The classy places start dying down after 9pm and everything becomes a hedonistic orgy of alcoholism, bad decisions, and crime.

While I missed out on the creation of the amazing Austin music culture, I lived in it and enjoyed it for a decade before it started going to hell.

Of course, change is inevitable. I have to accept that no city, like Austin, and triple in size in 20 years and not become a totally new city. I get that. I just hate to see it happening. It is changing in more ways I don't like than in ways I do like. I like it that the streets are cleaner, easier to walk, and the new businesses are clean, trendy, and pleasant. But I hate that I cannot find a good life act unless I spent days researching and planning every step. Use to I just went down town and I always eventually found something amazing to watch and listen to.

It is a shame.

RIP Austin, the Live Music Capital of the World.
 
"Shot across the bough"???
Or, Shot across the bow?

Ya, people pretty much suck and ruin everything. It is really a shame that is seems like no matter what it is, it is the popularity of something that ends up ruining it. I am a live music fan. I love live music. I love seeing bands and I have wanted to go to Austin for this very reason for a very long time, but have not yet made the journey. It is a shame.
 
I hate people who flee states like California and then work tirelessly to transform their new home into what they just fled.

That's a constant issue with anything- people leave place A, whatever that is, for B, and then start asking for things to be done like they were at A. You want A, GO BE THERE.

People aren't going to have the peace and quiet of suburbia in a downtown area. It just can't happen. You want suburbia, move there. Don't try to make a city center into it. It won't end well.
 
That's a constant issue with anything- people leave place A, whatever that is, for B, and then start asking for things to be done like they were at A. You want A, GO BE THERE.

People aren't going to have the peace and quiet of suburbia in a downtown area. It just can't happen. You want suburbia, move there. Don't try to make a city center into it. It won't end well.

This is a huge problem for New Hampshire and Maine with people moving up from Massachusetts. Mass is a high tax, high wage state with extensive state services and a robust safety net. New Hampshire has the lowest tax burden in the country and the least dependency on Federal funds of any state. It operates on the most libertarian model of any state with the least government intervention and very lean service offerings. The atmosphere and character of the two states could not be more different. They are each nice in their own way, but we are talking apples and avocados. The pace of life, congestion level, culture and priorities are entirely different. When people move to New Hampshire to escape the high cost and congestion of Massachusetts, far too many of them start lobbying for tight gun control (despite low crime) and much higher public spending on whatever their pet thing is. The only thing that is preventing the influx from Massachusetts ruining what makes New Hampshire unique is the influx of libertarian Free State activists.
 
It is a problem, but it is how society changes and it is how cities and regions grow. I hate it, but it is always inevitable.
 
I wish we could do a little growing right now. Damn man we just seem to get kicked in the nuts every time we turn around. Population declining, businesses closing and moving...

Our taxes are high, but we offer a lot of services (hinting at Haywoods post) compared to most all of the nearby communities. The only new homes being built have mostly been with the cities help (there is only one exception I can think of in the last 2 years). We are landlocked and there isn't much we can do about it.
 
I wish we could do a little growing right now. Damn man we just seem to get kicked in the nuts every time we turn around. Population declining, businesses closing and moving...

Our taxes are high, but we offer a lot of services (hinting at Haywoods post) compared to most all of the nearby communities. The only new homes being built have mostly been with the cities help (there is only one exception I can think of in the last 2 years). We are landlocked and there isn't much we can do about it.

Massachusetts could do with a little less growth, as there is a massive housing shortage and we are running out of places to put people. The Boston metro area covers 6,210 square miles and has a population of 8,313,126 people, which averages out to 1,338 people per square mile.
 
Cities ebb and flow, wax and wane, grow and shrink...

In the 1800s, Cleveland was the hyper-growth city of the USA, In the early 1900s it was Chicago. Atlanta and other southern cities saw huge growth after the affordable application of air conditioning.

Houston has periods of excess and periods of suffering. This just happens.

I think it is because I am watching it happen before my eyes that it is getting to me.
 
Massachusetts could do with a little less growth, as there is a massive housing shortage and we are running out of places to put people. The Boston metro area covers 6,210 square miles and has a population of 8,313,126 people, which averages out to 1,338 people per square mile.

We have a population density of about 1,200 people per square mile and that is not taking into consideration that about half of area is industrial. Now I realize I am comparing one small community to an entire state, which is not a fair comparison at all, but I'm tellin ya man we could use some growth, economic development, redevelopment...
 
We have a population density of about 1,200 people per square mile and that is not taking into consideration that about half of area is industrial. Now I realize I am comparing one small community to an entire state, which is not a fair comparison at all, but I'm tellin ya man we could use some growth, economic development, redevelopment...

Forgive me for forgetting, but what city do you live in?

The area I described is not all in one state and does not cover all of Massachusetts. The Boston metro area stretches from Providence, RI in the south to Manchester, NH in the north and Worcester, MA in the west. It covers roughly the eastern third of Massachusetts, which is where 80% of the state's population lives. About half of the area is conservation land, wetland or water and cannot be built on.
 
I live in a small town on the IL side of the St. Louis Metro area.

I'd rather not say exactly due to my job. I have made more than my share of stupid comments on this forum and I know these days it is plenty easy for people to find stuff like that out, but I would rather not call it out. LOL. I guess I could also quit saying stupid shit on here too. That's an option. LOL
 
St. Louis gives me the general idea. The influx of people into Boston was actually very good for the city in many ways. It is cleaner, safer, has turned into a paradise for foodies, is still full of all the wonderful stuff that always made it great, such as fantastic museums, historical sites, a thriving theater scene and so on. The cost of all that has been cripplingly high real estate prices that extend pretty far out in every direction. I would actually love to live downtown, but at $4000+ for a small three bed, one bath flat with no parking, it is well outside my price range.
 
WOW, that's steep. The cost of living in some of those areas just absolutely floors me. I would imagine all the growth in Austin, and Flints comments about Austin being landlocked mean incredibly high housing costs there too.
 
WOW, that's steep. The cost of living in some of those areas just absolutely floors me. I would imagine all the growth in Austin, and Flints comments about Austin being landlocked mean incredibly high housing costs there too.

This is one example from the town I live in, which is a 60-90 minute commute from downtown.
http://www.realtor.com/realestatean...illerica_MA_01821_M32408-50923?ex=MA595545897

It can take over an hours to travel as few as 12 miles around here and we're about 20 miles northwest of downtown.
 
This thread is disappointing, and intriguing, to me.
I did a lot of TDYs to Austin from ~1984-87, and had a blast all the time, got to spend two weekends there during the Pecan Festivals (including about an hour in the back seat of a black-n-white sedan ;)). The PLSS program eventually got cancelled, the Lockheed Martin plant was eaten by crickets, and I moved to the nuclear weapon world.
Like Franklin said, the music, and the FOOD, were absolutely incredible, and choosing the place(s) to go into was the hard part (and you couldn't make a mistake). So sad to hear its gone now too.
Dayton OH is now a shambles (used to be as fun as Austin, although the food wasn't quite there). San Fran, same thing. Park City UT, Jackson Hole WY, and now many mid-cities in Idaho and Oregon, the artist-loving elites forcing out the actual artists.
I see flickers of hope in other locales, a growing artist community in Detroit for instance. My current home, Ogden, is growing in size and reputation (glad my house is paid off!). Unfortunately my 10-minute commute is now 45 minutes, and they're predicting the population will double in 30 years, I may still be alive then.
Intriguing. And disappointing.
 
The politics of the neighbors is one of the reasons we purchased a 3 acre lot when building the house. This coming season we have an old high school band pulling it back together in their 50's. Kids out of the house and they have time to have fun again.
So the outside system will be their FOH system. Sorry Flint will not be here in DC for some fun with the group. Any one around DC interested can PM and we will see what turns out.
 
Good news!!!! Live music fights back and wins a small victory!!!

The Austin city council ha extended the outdoor live music times to 1:00am in the very popular Red River District. The inhabitants of that area are furious.
 
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