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Upgrading A/V Processor - What to Do

zod

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It's time to upgrade my Outlaw 990 processor. It's been quite awhile since I looked at this type of equipment.
I've been real happy with the 990 and the Outlaw 975 looks pretty nice. I'm wondering what else I should think about?
 
Just make sure that whatever you buy supports HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 or you will be completely screwed when you get a 4K display someday.
 
I have the Outlaw 975 and it works fine for my HT application. No bells and whistles and now going on a few years old.

Depends on your needs.
 
I have the Outlaw 975 and it works fine for my HT application. No bells and whistles and now going on a few years old.

Depends on your needs.
I'm pretty much meat and potatoes. I've got some top notch Sony stuff in the closet that can do the RIAA and AM/FM stuff. So, I guess it comes down to the DAC's. My Mackie's never sounded better.

There's the obsolescence angle too. Outlaw online customer service was offline today. Tomorrow, I call. That's the obvious rabbit.
 
The Outlaw does not have HDMI 2.0a or HDCP 2.2, which means it is already obsolete.
 
"Obsolete" is a bit strong. We don't all have Or plan on 4K in the immediate future.
 
"Obsolete" is a bit strong. We don't all have Or plan on 4K in the immediate future.

It is reasonable to assume that anyone's next display will be 4K, as we are rapidly approaching the point where the only 1080p sets left are smaller sets like the 32" Samsung I have in my kitchen. It is also reasonable to assume that anyone who buys a 4K TV will eventually buy at least one 4K source component. Given that we are home theater enthusiasts, I would further assume that one would want to be able to play Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD-MA and possibly Dolby Atmos or DTS:X.

If you do not buy an HDMI 2.0 capable processor, you will not be able to pass 4K content through it. That means you will have to connect your source's HDMI cable directly to the TV and use the optical output to connect to your processor, assuming there is one to connect. This inherently limits you to regular DD or DTS, but it gets worse. A lot of set top boxes cannot pass Dolby Digital Plus over optical and downmix the audio to 2 channels.

So yeah, it is obsolete. I will not work with any of the new gear.
 
The only exception to what I said above is that some UHD Blu-Ray players have a separate HDMI 1.4 compatible audio only output to support legacy receivers, but we all know that won't be the case forever and none of the streaming boxes have this feature.
 
The only exception to what I said above is that some UHD Blu-Ray players have a separate HDMI 1.4 compatible audio only output to support legacy receivers.

So, you're saying it's not obsolete. We agree.
 
So, you're saying it's not obsolete. We agree.

Assuming that you want to completely ignore 4K streaming and be entirely dependent on first generation players, sure. How can you reasonably argue that an AVR or Pre-Pro that does not support the current video standard is not obsolete? My Onkyo TX-SR805 is an excellent receiver that I still use, but I will replace it as soon as I can afford to because it prevents me from passing a 4K signal to my TV while also playing the best audio formats. Why? Because the standards changed and my receiver does not support them. That is the very definition of obsolescence. It does not mean unusable. I have no plans to replace the HDMI 1.4 receiver in my secondary system, because it is paired with a 1080p television that I have no plans to replace any time soon. That does not mean I would buy the same receiver if I were picking one up today.
 
I agree with you Haywood on this issue and still push people to the future. I have an excellent Onkyo-pr-sc886-pre-pro up for sale in the classified section but wouldn't sell it to someone looking for an upgrade for their new HT. I would want them to have the new technology and to include 4K pass-through. But older components still have a place and can make a nice improvement to many systems at a great price.
 
I have no plans to replace the HDMI 1.4 receiver in my secondary system, because it is paired with a 1080p television that I have no plans to replace any time soon.

So it's not obsolete. We agree.
 
I think what you are getting at is the difference between obsolescence and functional obsolescence. It is quantifiably obsolete in that it does not support any of the new technology. It is not functionally obsolete, because it still meets the current need. My point is that it makes no sense to go out and spend hundreds of dollars on something that is already obsolete and that will almost certainly become functionally obsolete within a few years. While I am not replacing the receiver in my family room system, I would not buy one just like it if I were buying today.
 
Man you guys take a lot of words and a lot of posts just to agree. :zorro:
 
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