President Obamas Executive Order Signing Speech
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Be a better shot. Don't shoot blindly. If you can't hit them with 7, how will 13 help? What happens after the click on 13? I'm reminded of that video I saw posted on youtube or fb of a grandpa w/ concealed carry stopping a robbery in an internet cafe...he shoots 5-7 times within 5-10 feet and doesn't hit the robbers. He stopped the robbery, but I think that guy should never ever EVER be trusted with a gun. He was shooting out the door one handed from his waist. Take my $30, I'd rather that than the chance to get accidentally shot by grandpa.
Maybe we should go the other way with it. Require all citizens >18 to carry guns. However, if used and used for unnecessary reasons and it results in death, LIFE IN PRISON. No questions asked.
I'm still with the Chris Rock idea. Make all bullets cost $5,000 each.
Maybe we should go the other way with it. Require all citizens >18 to carry guns. However, if used and used for unnecessary reasons and it results in death, LIFE IN PRISON. No questions asked.
I'm still with the Chris Rock idea. Make all bullets cost $5,000 each.
Srvy
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http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/01/1 ... -backlash/
REPUBLICAN INSIDER: Obama Livid Over Gun Rights Backlash
by Ulsterman on January 16, 2013 with 15 Comments in News
A brief update from a Republican Insider fighting to renew conservative principles and defeat the globalist Big Government liberalism of Barack Obama and his supporters.
(“Like a spoiled brat he can’t believe he had to scrap the original speech for today’s version.”)
_____________________________
Like me you were probably watching the president’s gun control speech today. Was told this morning the presentation today was a revised version that was completed just last night after a bunch of back and forth between the White House and Senate leaders. Guessing that would be Harry Reid mostly. Last week the president was ready to go all in on the executive order scenario. Confiscation was going to be in play. Then the backlash came and it forced Obama to back off. He didn’t want to but after Reid said it was a no go, and the NRA was preparing to go to war with the White House, the president was given a revised script and that is what we heard this morning. You could tell too. Obama stumbled over the words more than usual. He didn’t have the time to prep the script like he normally does. Probably fuming he was forced to read the new version also.
This time WE WON and OBAMA LOST.
If people want to know how to go at the administration, this is how you do it. Be informed, and make your voices heard. This is an example of how the new media I have been telling you about can work against the globalists. It can be a huge weapon against them. And a big thank you to the NRA. It took on Obama and didn’t back off. A big part of the plan coming from the White House was to cripple the NRA and make it a liability for 2014 and beyond. That didn’t work and it will be a liability, but one that is going to hurt Democrats, not conservatives. Big time backfire for the Obama White House. I was told it “rocked them on their heels”. They fundamentally don’t understand the American people and they didn’t see this backlash coming. They have the media, and the glossy presentations, but they don’t really understand the American people and this debate was a pure example of that being played out. I love it!
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Congrats to the state governments that were willing to voice opposition too. They did that and took on a lot of risk. Heard a list is being made and federal dollars might be taken away from them. Those state leaders knew that could happen but took on the administration anyways. That’s real leadership and courage being put on display for all of us and voters living in those states need to let those leaders know it is appreciated. You know how I feel about how important the 10th Amendment is, and today was also a big victory for the 10th Amendment against the Obama White House.
Now from here it’s clear Obama wants to try and use the issue as leverage for the 2014 midterms. They are hoping they can salvage something out of what became a fiasco for them. I just don’t sense enough Democrats willing to play along on this one though. Apparently the NRA and some other groups were lining up primary challengers to Democrats who went along with the president’s gun control plans and letting those Democrats know it was coming. That scared the heck out of them. Barack Obama is entering his lame duck phase, and the Democrats know it. After 2014 he becomes a museum piece. The president knows that too and it’s really ticking him off. We have to rub that in his face 24/7 while also building the conservative base back up into the kind of powerful entity it should be.
When people get involved, and make some noise, they still have the power. Use the new media, contact the lawmakers both state and federal, and talk to the people around you. That is power. That is what makes America so great and that is what happened today.
The president had his little moment, and was pretending it meant something, but he said nothing. That 21 (23) point plan or whatever it was, was hollow. It was a gutted version of what he was hoping to do as recently as a few days ago. Instead, he had to roll over and made a weak threat to Congress but that threat starts in the Senate and they already told him to shut up. Obama backed off. He lost this time, and it was all because of the American people. His media will try to spin it as something different, and if he gets another chance, the president will be right back to pushing for confiscation, but for now, we won this particular fight.
This victory is a lot bigger than you’ll hear in the regular media. It’s a lot bigger than anyone who stood their ground will ever know about. The Obama White House was trying to go very big on this gun control thing, and couldn’t pull it off. And Barack Obama is livid about it. Like a spoiled brat he can’t believe he had to scrap the original speech for today’s version.
Today was a great day for the good guys. Of course, there’s always another fight just around the corner, so we have to be ready. Let your readers know they did a great job on this. Each of them were a part of forcing the president to back off. Let’s do it again!
REPUBLICAN INSIDER: Obama Livid Over Gun Rights Backlash
by Ulsterman on January 16, 2013 with 15 Comments in News
A brief update from a Republican Insider fighting to renew conservative principles and defeat the globalist Big Government liberalism of Barack Obama and his supporters.
(“Like a spoiled brat he can’t believe he had to scrap the original speech for today’s version.”)
_____________________________
Like me you were probably watching the president’s gun control speech today. Was told this morning the presentation today was a revised version that was completed just last night after a bunch of back and forth between the White House and Senate leaders. Guessing that would be Harry Reid mostly. Last week the president was ready to go all in on the executive order scenario. Confiscation was going to be in play. Then the backlash came and it forced Obama to back off. He didn’t want to but after Reid said it was a no go, and the NRA was preparing to go to war with the White House, the president was given a revised script and that is what we heard this morning. You could tell too. Obama stumbled over the words more than usual. He didn’t have the time to prep the script like he normally does. Probably fuming he was forced to read the new version also.
This time WE WON and OBAMA LOST.
If people want to know how to go at the administration, this is how you do it. Be informed, and make your voices heard. This is an example of how the new media I have been telling you about can work against the globalists. It can be a huge weapon against them. And a big thank you to the NRA. It took on Obama and didn’t back off. A big part of the plan coming from the White House was to cripple the NRA and make it a liability for 2014 and beyond. That didn’t work and it will be a liability, but one that is going to hurt Democrats, not conservatives. Big time backfire for the Obama White House. I was told it “rocked them on their heels”. They fundamentally don’t understand the American people and they didn’t see this backlash coming. They have the media, and the glossy presentations, but they don’t really understand the American people and this debate was a pure example of that being played out. I love it!
Read more in News
« Rand Paul Set To Take On The Clinton Machine – And Likens Obama To A Monarch
Congrats to the state governments that were willing to voice opposition too. They did that and took on a lot of risk. Heard a list is being made and federal dollars might be taken away from them. Those state leaders knew that could happen but took on the administration anyways. That’s real leadership and courage being put on display for all of us and voters living in those states need to let those leaders know it is appreciated. You know how I feel about how important the 10th Amendment is, and today was also a big victory for the 10th Amendment against the Obama White House.
Now from here it’s clear Obama wants to try and use the issue as leverage for the 2014 midterms. They are hoping they can salvage something out of what became a fiasco for them. I just don’t sense enough Democrats willing to play along on this one though. Apparently the NRA and some other groups were lining up primary challengers to Democrats who went along with the president’s gun control plans and letting those Democrats know it was coming. That scared the heck out of them. Barack Obama is entering his lame duck phase, and the Democrats know it. After 2014 he becomes a museum piece. The president knows that too and it’s really ticking him off. We have to rub that in his face 24/7 while also building the conservative base back up into the kind of powerful entity it should be.
When people get involved, and make some noise, they still have the power. Use the new media, contact the lawmakers both state and federal, and talk to the people around you. That is power. That is what makes America so great and that is what happened today.
The president had his little moment, and was pretending it meant something, but he said nothing. That 21 (23) point plan or whatever it was, was hollow. It was a gutted version of what he was hoping to do as recently as a few days ago. Instead, he had to roll over and made a weak threat to Congress but that threat starts in the Senate and they already told him to shut up. Obama backed off. He lost this time, and it was all because of the American people. His media will try to spin it as something different, and if he gets another chance, the president will be right back to pushing for confiscation, but for now, we won this particular fight.
This victory is a lot bigger than you’ll hear in the regular media. It’s a lot bigger than anyone who stood their ground will ever know about. The Obama White House was trying to go very big on this gun control thing, and couldn’t pull it off. And Barack Obama is livid about it. Like a spoiled brat he can’t believe he had to scrap the original speech for today’s version.
Today was a great day for the good guys. Of course, there’s always another fight just around the corner, so we have to be ready. Let your readers know they did a great job on this. Each of them were a part of forcing the president to back off. Let’s do it again!
Not a gutted version. Revised because it should have been. But there should be more talks. Don't think it is enough to let it be.
GreatDane said:
So, what about the one's shot 13 times and not incapacitated? What then. Snore.
This is a circular and useless argument.
The my guns are bigger than your guns and has more bullets is beat to death already and silly. I'm not arguing for banning guns, I'm arguing for useful discussion. That's all.
GreatDane said:
So, what about the one's shot 13 times and not incapacitated? What then. Snore.
I'm not sure what you mean. I prefer to carry my 9mm which is 17 rounds with a spare 16 or 32 if I want.[/quote]
As you helpfully pointed out, more shots does not make you safer.
My logic is only that the number is arbitrary either way. I do not think a drop from 13 to 7 in max magazine size makes any definable difference in stopping a perp. I am simply bringing forward the logic given in the video.
"The loudest sound "CLICK" after the 7th shot.
Exactly how many bullets do you need to be able to stop a perp?
1? 3? 7? 13? 17? 32? 50? 100? 500?
The "CLICK" after 13 would be just as loud if you didn't stop the perp.
The "CLICK" after 32 would be just as loud.
The "CLICK" after 50 would be just as loud.
So, the "CLICK" after 7 is just useless logic.
More bullets does not mean safer.
This is not a long discussion. Just pointing out the intent of the video is not useful as a discussion point on gun control.
"The loudest sound "CLICK" after the 7th shot.
Exactly how many bullets do you need to be able to stop a perp?
1? 3? 7? 13? 17? 32? 50? 100? 500?
The "CLICK" after 13 would be just as loud if you didn't stop the perp.
The "CLICK" after 32 would be just as loud.
The "CLICK" after 50 would be just as loud.
So, the "CLICK" after 7 is just useless logic.
More bullets does not mean safer.
This is not a long discussion. Just pointing out the intent of the video is not useful as a discussion point on gun control.
Math is fun.
To calculate accuracy just divide the number of HITS by the number of SHOTS. In the case of our imaginary (because this story is bull shit) citizen we have 0 hits divided by 7 shots = 0% accuracy. Before you go there... I get it. Despite zero hits with seven shots, maybe, just maybe he'll be LUCKY enough to hit TWO targets with the remaining six rounds.
I don't know to calculate the odds of one lucky hit much less two... on different targets... in the dark... while hiding behind a car... at unknown range ... while being shot at...
But none of this matters because it's already been asserted that even seven hits won't necessarily stop a man. But in this case I guess that we'll just set that little factoid aside and assume the opposite. That two INCREDIBLY INCREDIBLY lucky bullets can stop two men.
But then we have to accept the paradox that even though seven wasn't enough to begin with that that just six more would have made everything okay.
To calculate accuracy just divide the number of HITS by the number of SHOTS. In the case of our imaginary (because this story is bull shit) citizen we have 0 hits divided by 7 shots = 0% accuracy. Before you go there... I get it. Despite zero hits with seven shots, maybe, just maybe he'll be LUCKY enough to hit TWO targets with the remaining six rounds.
I don't know to calculate the odds of one lucky hit much less two... on different targets... in the dark... while hiding behind a car... at unknown range ... while being shot at...
But none of this matters because it's already been asserted that even seven hits won't necessarily stop a man. But in this case I guess that we'll just set that little factoid aside and assume the opposite. That two INCREDIBLY INCREDIBLY lucky bullets can stop two men.
But then we have to accept the paradox that even though seven wasn't enough to begin with that that just six more would have made everything okay.
It's easy to assume that particular incident while sitting in front of a computer. Without fully knowing or having been in that situation, one can't be certain of what 6 more rounds may or may not have done. More bullets do provide more fighting chances. When your life is on the line, what would you prefer?The DirtMerchant said:
I don't have a gun, so I would think of something else besides shooting imaginary bullets at imaginary people in imaginary situations.
So, again, the argument that is trying to be made in the video is not useful.
So, again, the argument that is trying to be made in the video is not useful.
GreatDane
Well-Known Member
WHY PEOPLE NEED SEMIAUTOMATIC FIREARMS AND “HIGH CAPACITY” MAGAZINES … Part I
http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAy ... es-part-i/
http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAy ... es-part-i/
GreatDane said:
Maybe she should have shot him in the face? ROFL
Is a .38 NOT an appropriate tool?
Would she have done better with a 7 shot 6 shooter?
A spray of bullets?
So, one more time. Would 7 have been enough? Would 13? Would 32?
"You can put a lot of bullets in a bad guy and they can still keep coming."
How about a shovel across the back of the head?
Bat?
Bottle of liquor?
Mace?
10,000 volt shock?
What you are promoting is not an effective argument FOR guns, because as you happily point out...the gun didn't kill the guy. It sounds good. Sort of like showing how scary "assault rifles" look and anti-gunners pick that up and run with it as "look how bad these ASSAULT rifles are".
GreatDane said:
Willco.