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Fidelity in video has died

Flint

Prodigal Son
Superstar
In the same vein as the fidelity war in audio where low fidelity won out of gluttony, immediacy and portability, the video world is experiencing the same battle and fidelity is the victim.

People want everything, now, and everywhere. They don't care about accuracy, realism, or full sensory experiences. The idea of blocking out all of life's little irritations and forgetting the troubles with friends, family, and work to obsess for two to three hours on one story line as an escape from life - that idea has been lost.

People go to movies to eat, drink, visit, and generally have a party. I haven't seen a packed Imax in years and the likes of the Alamo Draft House and the copycats now popping up all over the nation are a clear indication that story telling is dead, or dying.

So, 3D TV died because people didn't want to deal with the hassle of putting on glasses. Big screens are only interesting because they are a symbol of status and success. Few calibrate their TVs. Few will pay extra for all the high definition channels and those that do often forget that the SD channel they are watching has a HD channel on the same TV service. In fact, since nearly everyone has a HDTV at home, why do we even have SD channels on our cable and satellite services anymore? Why?

People want video on their portable devices. They will watch a few minutes of a movie or show whenever they get a chance, then try to pretend they've seen it and get all the subtext, nuance, character development, foreshadowing, and the other trapping of excellent writing in these shows or movies. But they don't get it. They just remember the basic plot points and how insane it was that Sally faked an orgasm in a diner. Our civilization is going backwards and careful attention to detail in the art of music, writing, stage, TV, Movies, and even sculpture and canvas art is lost on us. We are plebes who could care less about spending an extra 10 minutes looking at the beauty of a great painting because my Facebook notification caused my phone to vibrate once.

It is sad.

We are entering another intellectual dark age where only a handful of "crazy" scholars know anything about history, art, science, and society. Each of us only pays attention to the absolute fewest things we absolutely must know in order to keep the party going. I cannot be happy until I build that deck or upgrade my grill. I need to make some money to do that. Oh, and my friends all have fire pits, so I damn well better add that to my list of things I absolutely need but will never use after the newness wears off.
 
Yep.

You're going to have to learn to deal with it because its not going to stop or change. I'm not saying its a good thing or that I'm happy about, just saying you can rage against societal changes all you want but nothing you or I can say or do will prevent what we see coming. High fidelity audio and video sources will become niche (relatively) high priced products available to a small group and shrinking group.
 
Movie watching is a central communal activity in my family. We come together around the home theater to watch movies, laugh together, cry together, get angry together, cheer together and talk about it all afterward. Our shared love of movies is one of the things that brings our family together. Our kids are proud of it, because they see it as part of their identity and part of our identity as a family.

As far as quality, does it have to be Blu-Ray to fully enjoy the experience. No, but it has to be good. I personally consider a very high quality 720p source with DD 5.1 sound to be very acceptable as a minimum standard that does not diminish the experience. Sadly, I've reached the point where I find DVDs to be too grainy and soft after years of exposure to good HD content.

I think that current technology makes it pretty easy to have our cake and eat it too. I am slowly but surely building a pretty decent library of UltraViolet titles on Vudu in HDX quality. These movies look VASTLY better than DVD and only marginally inferior to Blu-Ray. I would call them the 320K MP3 of the video world. I can watch these movies on demand on any of my four Roku devices around the house, on either of our two PS3s, on any of our computers or on any of our tablets. I can take a Roku with me on vacation and watch my movies in the hotel room. How is any of this a bad thing? What critical element am I giving up?

Cardio is boring and I never go to watch Lost when it was on TV. The 42 minute episode is a convenient length for a warm up and workout. Sometimes I only watch 30 minutes and pick up the next day, but overall I average an episode a day. How am I not properly enjoying the show? What am I missing out on?

I sense a very all or nothing rigidity in the original post. I honestly don't see things quite that way. All of these technologies do make content more convenient and accessible. I don't think that's bad at all. The bad thing (and I do agree with Flint on this) is that people these days are too artificially busy and spend their entire life distracted. People have lost the ability to filter and prioritize and have become slaves to their phones, their e-mail and their messaging services. I think this is a phase. All this technology is new. The novelty will wear off as people wear out. It will slowly recede to a more appropriate ever-present background state that is more in balance with the need of human beings to live human lives.

I also don't think that everyone has this problem. I still know a decent number of people who refuse to own a smartphone because they don't want to the constant distractions or the expense. It is a deliberate decision. I also know quite a few smartphone owners like me that happily ignore the things when engaged in something else, such as a conversation with a real person. Granted, I spend most of my time with other 40-somethings, but my point is that Flint's comments do not universally apply and I don't think they ever will.
 
I realize it is happening, but I feel someone needs to point it out and hope that doing so encourages a few more people to keep vigil and protect our dynasty of this era. Many think our dynasty is lame and not interesting, but that is because we have it now and find it "common". Who knows, it 50 or 100 years this era could be seen as one of the most fruitful in human history! Look at the hundreds of thousands of music artists we have spawned globally! Look at the great sculptures, the architecture, the technology, the writing, everything! We are generally bored with it, but it is amazing what is being produced around us.

I don't care that sometimes less than stellar performance is pursued - I do it, too. I watch DVDs on my laptop on airplanes and I use my Zune and music app on my Samsung Galaxy quite often. At work I use Amazon's cloud music app in Chrome. I get it.

But what about the details? Are we going to be a society where only 0.01% of us even notice them anymore? Will the creative people and artists just give up on us? I know musicians are starting to get irritated with it. Dave Grohl is trying to save it with music, but he is close to being alone in his effort.

I go out with neighbors and co-workers and they often start talking about movies or TV shows. I will point out the crafty foreshadowing in one movie and the conversation usually dies. I'll comment on the humor of what is happening in the background or the use of ironic scenery as being genius and people are confused - they don't pay attention. I feel like they are just half-watching so they can participate in a shared human activity. AND THAT'S FINE FOR THEM. But who does care? Someone put a ton of effort into those little details and they are often brilliant and create an added level of entertainment.

Who reads anymore? Who REALLY reads? Who REALLY watches a movie? Who REALLY listens to music?

I get why there is a huge LP resurgence. There is a ritual to listening to an LP which inherently encourages active participation in listening to the music on the LP. People who re-discover the LP are re-discovering the sheer joy, the raw ecstasy, of listening to genius works of art a group of musicians, producers, audio engineers, and electrical engineers have brought to us. It is genius! There is no other way on the planet to experience all the creativity and effort of a studio recording other than to sit down, stop doing anything else, forget about everything else in life, and let 30 to 70 minutes of someone's hard work and artistic vision fill your head. Anyone can do that with a CD or LP or even certain digital files, but few do. It is a tiny niche.

200 years ago opera, ballet and symphonies were so common people would go and party through the performances. Today we revere those works of art as holy examples of the genius of that age.

What are we doing here?
 
It's the fall of Rome all over again. All people care about is seeing slaves ripped apart by lions in the coloseum. The current trend of violent movies (e.g. MOS) confirms this in my mind. Violence - or at the least, aggression - sells, and is popular. Personally, I see "gun culture" the same way, where violence is more and more an acceptable reaction to society's problems.

I agree, civilization is decaying in a way. There are holdouts, but it's more and more rare.
 
Pendulums swing. Societies have ups and downs. I do not buy into the apocalyptic thinking that all decline is permanent. We are living in a pretty dark time right now. Our democracy is in danger of becoming an oligarchy, if it hasn't already. The middle class is being destroyed. Far more people live in actual poverty than the numbers imply, because the official definition of poverty is intentionally absurd. Both political parties are completely sold out to monied interests. It really doesn't matter which candidate we vote for, the results that matter are the same either way. The surveillance state is already here and our police forces have been steadily militarizing for years. Abuse of power is rampant. The idiot masses scream about stupid wedge issues while over two million people are in prison for largely non-violent offenses and police habitually abuse people's Fourth Amendment rights. Almost half the country is worried about socialism when wealth inequity is at an all-time high and we slowly slip into fascism.

I personally believe that this cannot continue. I have faith that people will wake up and realize that we're all being screwed over and abused. Perhaps I am naïve, but I don't see how these trends can continue indefinitely.
 
I'm trying not to take offense to comparing watching a Super Man movie to watching slaves be eaten alive. Especially when there are soooooo much more violent content (like the Borderlands video game that gets a lot of love here) being consumed.

Besides... Do you know who else compared their generation to the "glory days" of the past and predicted imminent collapse and/or societal doom? Literally every geratation upto and including this one. Lighten up boys. As Billy Joel sang "the good old weren't always that good, and tomorrows not as bad as it seems".
 
:laughing: Well ok violence is pervasive and I'm not claiming to be immune from it, I just have certain ways I resist it personally, maybe not the most effective ways, who knows. And yes it's hard to really have an accurate perspective on thousands of years of history and whether things are better or worse now than at some other time, because we - and I mean 'we' in a very broad sense - as humans tend to be pretty short-sighted to what's within our own experience. But I do believe there's a trend toward violence in movies and other media, and towards the notion that it's ok to be violent as long as you're adhering to some noble principle. That's a notion I resist, even if I'm a hypocrite because I play borderlands. But that game makes no pretense whatsoever to be using violence towards some gallant truths, it's just a go-out-and-shoot-whatever-moves sort of thing, with humor rather than taking itself at all seriously, part of why I like the game so much, not because of the violence per se; that still in my mind makes it different from MOS or many other recent movies. Granted, maybe that distinction is only in my head.
 
Towen7 said:
Besides... Do you know who else compared their generation to the "glory days" of the past and predicted imminent collapse and/or societal doom? Literally every geratation upto and including this one. Lighten up boys. As Billy Joel sang "the good old weren't always that good, and tomorrows not as bad as it seems".


So very much THIS.

Every generation thinks things are going down the tubes. Everybody thinks we're in a new dark age of crime and violence while actual violent crime rates are DROPPING. Are things perfect? Of course not- only the most self deluded and committed of imbeciles would contend that.

But geez, watching TV on iPad, chatting online during a movie watched at home, and so on are hardly signs that the Four Horsemen are all saddling up for their ride.
 
Yes, I do think things like this matter. Do I think it is the end of the world? NO! I do think we are losing our identities - each group of us - as we all turn into a mashup of everything "safe" in each other and we stop having opinions other than to agree at all costs.

I think we need individualism - true individualism. I think we need to reward the great artists rather than the lazy popular artists. I think we do need to try to grow as people rather than putting all our energy into the most basic desire to be "entertained" and "distracted". I think we are a culture of escapists all trying to get as far away from ourselves as possible in order to avoid dealing with the fact that there is very little under surface. Trivia used to mean something different.

Is it the fall of the humankind? No. But I do fear not enjoying the greatness we have available to us because we are caught up in immediacy.
 
Societies under pressure and turmoil tend to produce more escapist art, literature, movies, etc.
 
Great art is great art despite the delivery method. Sure, an ideal experience is, well, ideal... but real art will be recognized even if SOME people see it on an iPad or hear it on headphones.
 
Towen7 said:
Great art is great art despite the delivery method. Sure, an ideal experience is, well, ideal... but real art will be recognized even if SOME people see it on an iPad or hear it on headphones.
An interesting point. I've been to the Louvre in Paris, and got to see the Mona Lisa in the flesh. From about 25 feet away. Over a whole bunch of heads (thank goodness I'm tall). Behind bulletproof glass, tinted to prevent fading. I bought a postcard in the gift shop that featured the painting, was easier to see. :angelic-green:
 
The way I see it, the ease of delivery makes the "art" available to such a larger audience. Now more people have an opportunity to appreciate it. It's not a bad thing per se that some don't appreciate it as much as others. Those that do really appreciate it still have a means to a higher fidelity copy should they want it.
 
Towen7 said:
The way I see it, the ease of delivery makes the "art" available to such a larger audience. Now more people have an opportunity to appreciate it. It's not a bad thing per se that some don't appreciate it as much as others. Those that do really appreciate it still have a means to a higher fidelity copy should they want it.

Again, I'm with Towen here.

If you want the quality, it's there. You may have to hunt for it, but if your viewing plans involve sitting there and doing nothing but viewing the media, you have it. If you go to the trouble of assembling a quality home theater and tuning it for best performance, then a quick surf over to Amazon is hardly out of the realm of what is agreeable.

If you want it, it's there. So many people won't join you- who cares? There's probably areas where they are connoisseurs of quality and you're happy to just go with whatever is cheap and easy. I'm finding it incredibly difficult to bemoan the death of home 3DTV as a sign of our society being overrun with Philistines. The market tested the technology and found it wanting. No more, no less.
 
A high quality 720p .mkv file with DD 5.1 sound (figure a file size of 4GB to 8GB) looks very, very good. I would say on par with HD cable. A high quality 1080p .mkv (figure a file size of 8GB to 12GB) is damned near indistinguishable from Blu-Ray, though I will admit that DD 5.1 is inferior to Dolby TrueHD. Vudu HDX is roughly equivalent to the latter based on the bit rate they use. I will happily watch HDX movies all day without feeling like I'm missing something with the majority of content (with certain "event" movies like The Hobbit, I might want that slight increment of perfection).
 
"Laserdisc will rise again!!!"

This is a bit off topic, but this thread makes me think of that episode of The Regular Show where Mordicai and Rigby go to the library so that they can watch an old laserdisc movie.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IHvIBF3JO8[/youtube]

"VHS... the VHBest!!!"
"But did you know the brain can only process so much information?"
"VHS... can't tell the difference!"
 
^ we've gone from the unimportance of video fidelity to the fall of the Roman Empire....Mordecai & Rigby, why not? Btw that episode was flippin' hilarious.
 
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