Heeman - Dedicated HT Room?
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My goal tonight was to get the bathroom Spackle sanded and splattered, ready for paint..........so that was done.
Then, fire up the projector and OH MY GOD................
I put in Despicable Me and told Barb, get your ass in here are quick as you can, this thing is AMAZING!!! (and this is on a marked up eggshell white wall, with light reflections everywhere). Barb comes in and can't beleive her eyes and says "call Chris"!!!!
I can't that Chris enough for help with the purchase of the projector and checking it out in the Batcave prior to shipping it out to me! :bow-blue:
The biggest picture I could get at the short throw was 81" diagonal.
For those of you not familar with the JVC Projectors, they are huge, here is a pic next to a 1 gallon paint can:\
Please excuse the shitty camera........................ Image out of the box no adjustment:
I have sample screen material from Carada and Screen Innovations and we compared all of these against the white wall and let me tell you it was very hard to tell the difference and in most situations, we could not. This begs to reason, how much to spend on a screen?????
The X35 is now packed away and will not come our of it's box until it is ready to be permanently mounted to the ceiling!!!
Then, fire up the projector and OH MY GOD................
I put in Despicable Me and told Barb, get your ass in here are quick as you can, this thing is AMAZING!!! (and this is on a marked up eggshell white wall, with light reflections everywhere). Barb comes in and can't beleive her eyes and says "call Chris"!!!!
I can't that Chris enough for help with the purchase of the projector and checking it out in the Batcave prior to shipping it out to me! :bow-blue:
The biggest picture I could get at the short throw was 81" diagonal.
For those of you not familar with the JVC Projectors, they are huge, here is a pic next to a 1 gallon paint can:\
Please excuse the shitty camera........................ Image out of the box no adjustment:
I have sample screen material from Carada and Screen Innovations and we compared all of these against the white wall and let me tell you it was very hard to tell the difference and in most situations, we could not. This begs to reason, how much to spend on a screen?????
The X35 is now packed away and will not come our of it's box until it is ready to be permanently mounted to the ceiling!!!
It took about 4.5 hours to move the electric from the supporting wall and actually went much better than I thought.
Barb got the first coat of paint done in the bathroom, while I was playing electrician.
Then we took the door out from the supporting wall (the old office door) and installed it as the entry to the HT.
I was in the attic today twice and it was HOT up there.
Tomorrow will pick up the lumber for the 2 temp. walls, the beam and hangers and will erect (I know, I said erect) the temp walls and plan for the bean install on Sunday.......
Barb got the first coat of paint done in the bathroom, while I was playing electrician.
Then we took the door out from the supporting wall (the old office door) and installed it as the entry to the HT.
I was in the attic today twice and it was HOT up there.
Tomorrow will pick up the lumber for the 2 temp. walls, the beam and hangers and will erect (I know, I said erect) the temp walls and plan for the bean install on Sunday.......
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heeman said:
To repeat myself: a lot.
Buy the best acoustically-transparent weave material you can get (Draper's AT1200 - now called XT900E - would be it) for the combination of best picture AND the ability to locate your centre speaker like it should be: directly behind the centre of the screen - without any acoustic effects.
Hey! You're starting from scratch. Why limit yourself to the inferior?!
You asked.
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Keith,heeman said:
How so?
Your projector has a 1.4 - 2.8 throw ratio. (Plus 80% vertical lens shift.)
Using the minimum throw ratio of 1.4, and assuming a 100" screen width, I get a throw distance of 12'. With a room that's 17.5' deep, that gives you 5.5' to play with. Assuming you mount the projector 2.5' from the back wall (to the lens) (that sucker's 18.5" deep!) that still leaves 3' to play with. What speakers do you have that take up 3' of depth? (By the by, a screen width less than 100" needs even less throw distance for the same minimum throw ratio - and vice versa. Point being that other than your fixed minimum throw ratio (and depth of room), you still have some flexibility with screen size and throw distance with that projector.)
By comparison, my main HT is only 13' deep. I have a throw distance of 10' (using a much smaller projector than you have) to a 92" (diagonal) screen. My screen is 19" from the front wall which allows all the room I need to hide a pretty big stack of speakers (and two subs.) If I had a much bigger screen and wanted the F L/R stacks behind the screen as well, even with them being toed in (and thus extending farther from the wall) I'd still only need 22" from screen to front wall.
Not trying to give you a hard time. Just trying to be helpful.
Jeff
Jeff,
I understand that you are not giving me a hard time and only have suggestions to have the max performance.
The room is 17.5' deep and we want to squeeze in 2 rows. With a 110" screen the projectors lens needs to be at approx. 14.5'.
Our first row viewing will be between 11.5 and 10, with the 2nd row right behind that.
Sorry, no speakers behind the screen in this HT.
One other thing, I do not own Stacks of Koss Speakers, but pretty happy with my Paragigm 60's (Fronts) and 20's (surrounds).
Hope to see you in Delaware...
Keith
I understand that you are not giving me a hard time and only have suggestions to have the max performance.
The room is 17.5' deep and we want to squeeze in 2 rows. With a 110" screen the projectors lens needs to be at approx. 14.5'.
Our first row viewing will be between 11.5 and 10, with the 2nd row right behind that.
Sorry, no speakers behind the screen in this HT.
One other thing, I do not own Stacks of Koss Speakers, but pretty happy with my Paragigm 60's (Fronts) and 20's (surrounds).
Hope to see you in Delaware...
Keith
JeffMackwood said:
I can't be completely convinced that this the way to go. Especially with the capabilities of the JVC. If absolutely the closest thing to perfect sound must be achieved and PQ is a DISTANT 2nd, then maybe, BUT then why even purchase a projector in the class of the X35. I can't get on board with the idea that that is necessary for movies. And in that sense, an acoustical screen can only degrade the PQ of the JVC. The perforations give a visual repesentation of screen door effect or pixelation that isn't present in the actual image of the JVCs. I guess it depends on which side of the fence your on to decide whether the greater sacrifices should be made for audio or video. I think in this case a perfed screen is too much of a sacrifice when the investment Keith has made in video is factored more heavily... :twocents-mytwocents:
I understand where Jeff is coming from. The closer you sit to the screen, the more critical the location of the CC. I have my CC mounted in front of the screen and as high as possible. It's tilted upward and the of the speaker cabinet is as close to the bottom of the screen as possible. Most of the time it's fine and I don't "notice" that voices and sounds are coming from below the screen. BUT, every now and then... I do.
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Bats,Batman said:
I've never used or seen the JVC with an AT screen so I can't comment on it specifically.
However there is a big difference between perf/microperf (which I don't recommend) and weaves (which I do recommend.)
I've never had any visual issue with the Draper AT1200 (a weave). Nobody who has ever been to my place has either. (NB. Razz first thought he was seeing what he called "screen door" effects but in fact, at the very close seating distance in my main HT, he was actually seeing individual DLP mirror hinge points - which would have been seen no matter what they were projected on.)
Prior to buying my screen I spent some time checking it out - to make sure I couldn't see anything abnormal.
And like any major purchase (which a ~$3k screen would be) that's really my best advice: go see (and hear) it installed somewhere, with a projector that's the same or similar (technologically) to what you plan to use, before making the buy. If you can get both great sound and great picture, why not?
I don't expect to be able to convince anyone, sight and sound unseen, that this is absolutely the way to go. However I think it would be a shame for anyone to disregard it as an option, sight and sound unseen.
Jeff
ps. After posting the above, I came across this site http://www.elunevision.com/audioweave-tensioned-features.html which does a much better job than I ever could in explaining this. I've not seen or heard their material, but if I were shopping for a new screen I'd be keen to compare them to Draper's.
This hobby sure does have a bunch of variables and choices..................
I have thought and thought and spent many hours about the space and equipment and it's uses. Where to put money and where not to..... Right or wrong, most of the decisions have been made with endless hours of talking to friend, forums and mfr's of equipment.
Then there was today, a kick-ass Sunday and many thanks to my friend Mario and my wife Barbara...... :bow-blue: :bow-blue:
Built the BEAM............
Oh Yea, forgot to post a pic of Roxul's Safe n Sound that will be in the back HT wall.
Ripped down sheet rock with insulation falling on our heads.........
Cutting Joists.....................
Pulling the 160" (2) 2x12 with 1/2" plywood beam through the window......
Installing the beam......................
Oh, and then getting the drywall up......
Barb made Swedish Meatballs, Almost as good as T7's, don't tell Barb and 9 hours later this post....
This old guy is BEAT..................
I have thought and thought and spent many hours about the space and equipment and it's uses. Where to put money and where not to..... Right or wrong, most of the decisions have been made with endless hours of talking to friend, forums and mfr's of equipment.
Then there was today, a kick-ass Sunday and many thanks to my friend Mario and my wife Barbara...... :bow-blue: :bow-blue:
Built the BEAM............
Oh Yea, forgot to post a pic of Roxul's Safe n Sound that will be in the back HT wall.
Ripped down sheet rock with insulation falling on our heads.........
Cutting Joists.....................
Pulling the 160" (2) 2x12 with 1/2" plywood beam through the window......
Installing the beam......................
Oh, and then getting the drywall up......
Barb made Swedish Meatballs, Almost as good as T7's, don't tell Barb and 9 hours later this post....
This old guy is BEAT..................
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