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[Srvy]

I'm not ashamed to say that I miss Bush after the last few years. He may not have been the most graceful President, but at least he wasn't a camera whore. Cheney was the one you couldn't trust, and probably had more to do with us getting into Iraq than Bush did.

As far as Clinton, I'm more pissed that 30 million dollars of our money was spent to find out whether he got a hummer or not. Other than cheating on his wife, which is a big thing, the only other thing he did was utter the sexual relations line. He should have said it is nobody's business but him and his wife's as to what happened.

Yep! :text-goodpost:

 

[Rope]

I'm not ashamed to say that I miss Bush after the last few years. He may not have been the most graceful President, but at least he wasn't a camera whore. Cheney was the one you couldn't trust, and probably had more to do with us getting into Iraq than Bush did.

As far as Clinton, I'm more pissed that 30 million dollars of our money was spent to find out whether he got a hummer or not. Other than cheating on his wife, which is a big thing, the only other thing he did was utter the sexual relations line. He should have said it is nobody's business but him and his wife's as to what happened.

You're right. Just because Clinton lied about his Lewinsky tumble, doesn't mean he'd lie to his constituency. (Morality)

If we were to move all the felons out of Washington, what would we do with the vacant buildings and parking lots?

Rope

 

[Srvy]

Clinton relied to much on his lawyer advisers and got himself in deeper as they all do. He just proved he was a liar and couldn't be trusted something he had in common with almost all politicians.

 

[Botch]

I'm not ashamed to say that I miss Bush after the last few years. He may not have been the most graceful President, but at least he wasn't a camera whore. Cheney was the one you couldn't trust, and probably had more to do with us getting into Iraq than Bush did.

As far as Clinton, I'm more pissed that 30 million dollars of our money was spent to find out whether he got a hummer or not. Other than cheating on his wife, which is a big thing, the only other thing he did was utter the sexual relations line. He should have said it is nobody's business but him and his wife's as to what happened.

Agree 1000% on Cheney.
Regarding Clinton, cheating on his wife is bad but that's between him and her; however, lying under Oath, even to the snake-infested Congress, is simply Not Acceptable.

 

[Rope]

Seems to me when a President is elected by taxpayers, they have every right to know what he/she is doing on their clock and in their building. Transparency and work ethic go a long way in building trust and getting votes, well use to.

Rope

 

[Flint]

People who hold positions of extreme power and importance cannot be trusted once thy commit some moral sin. The possibility of that person's desire to hide the truth can lead to very bad decisions, blackmail, and so on. This is why morality matters. If the person who pulls the strings can be swayed by fear of being caught in a sin or crime, well, they cannot be trusted to do the right thing or even do the thing they believe is the right thing. The can lose their own guiding principles. In the worst case, they can be blackmailed into doing things they know is flat out wrong.

 

[Huey]

I'm not ashamed to say that I miss Bush after the last few years. He may not have been the most graceful President, but at least he wasn't a camera whore. Cheney was the one you couldn't trust, and probably had more to do with us getting into Iraq than Bush did.

As far as Clinton, I'm more pissed that 30 million dollars of our money was spent to find out whether he got a hummer or not. Other than cheating on his wife, which is a big thing, the only other thing he did was utter the sexual relations line. He should have said it is nobody's business but him and his wife's as to what happened.

You're right. Just because Clinton lied about his Lewinsky tumble, doesn't mean he'd lie to his constituency. (Morality)

If we were to move all the felons out of Washington, what would we do with the vacant buildings and parking lots?

Rope

I'm not condoning anything he had done, but he was also setup to a point. Maybe not at the beginning, but what got drug out with the dress and everything was all a setup. Would this have ever happened with JFK, who probably had a lot more skeletons in the closet, but is usually regarded as one of the best Presidents we have ever had.

 

[mzpro5]

I'm not ashamed to say that I miss Bush after the last few years. He may not have been the most graceful President, but at least he wasn't a camera whore. Cheney was the one you couldn't trust, and probably had more to do with us getting into Iraq than Bush did.

As far as Clinton, I'm more pissed that 30 million dollars of our money was spent to find out whether he got a hummer or not. Other than cheating on his wife, which is a big thing, the only other thing he did was utter the sexual relations line. He should have said it is nobody's business but him and his wife's as to what happened.

You're right. Just because Clinton lied about his Lewinsky tumble, doesn't mean he'd lie to his constituency. (Morality)

If we were to move all the felons out of Washington, what would we do with the vacant buildings and parking lots?

Rope

I'm not condoning anything he had done, but he was also setup to a point. Maybe not at the beginning, but what got drug out with the dress and everything was all a setup. Would this have ever happened with JFK, who probably had a lot more skeletons in the closet, but is usually regarded as one of the best Presidents we have ever had.

I hate to be sacreligous but the only reason Kennedy is held in such high regard is because he was assassinated.

If you carefully study his brief two and half years in office not a great deal was accomplished. His handling of the Cuban Missle Crisis is probably the one notable thing he did.

Aside from nailing Marilyn that is.

 

[Flint]

Kennedy also created NASA and ensured funding to send us to the moon. He lowered taxes and we reaped the benefits of that for nearly a decade. He also did a ton to clean up the worst of the mob bosses in the NorthEast while in office - though his brother was more into that than he was.

 

[Deacon]

Statement one:

"There is absolutely no evidence the US is the greatest country in the world"

You guys are telling me there is absolutely no evidence, none at all, that US is the greatest country in the world?

You want evidence of an opinion? :think:

 

[mzpro5]

Kennedy also created NASA and ensured funding to send us to the moon. He lowered taxes and we reaped the benefits of that for nearly a decade. He also did a ton to clean up the worst of the mob bosses in the NorthEast while in office - though his brother was more into that than he was.

Yes he did create NASA but he did not "ensure" continued funding. Continued funding was due to a huge initial investment and continued NASA successes.

The "Kennedy Tax cuts" were actually passed in 1964 several months after his death but were his policy. But those tax cuts were "demand side cuts" which center on tax cuts to the middle class to spur spending and economic growth, not towards "the rich". The tax cuts of Bush and current conservatives were/are "supply side" cuts, cuts to "the rich" for supposed investment in the economy to spur growth. How's that working out? Yes they were both tax cuts but very different areas and philosophy for those cuts.

Concerning the mob crackdown. They did happen during JFK's administration, due credit should be given, but it was all Robert's deal. Before being AG RFK was Special Counsel to the Senate where he was relentless fighting organized crime. He wrote a book called "The Enemy Within" concerning the huge effect of mob activities on the US. He continued his fight as AG.

And despite the animosity between the two groups LBJ was essential in getting a lot of JFK's ideas/philosophies passed into law. LBJ's consummate mastery of the US legislature and personal relations from his years in Congress were what assured the passage of much Kennedy legislation.

I was a bit harsh in my first statement about Kennedy. He didn't get much time and a number of the good things that came out of the 60's were precipitated by his ideas. I just get frustrated by the idolatry some seem to have for JFK and the Kennedys in general.

And Huey I don't mean to imply you (or Flint) are one of those idolaters.

 

[Srvy]

I guess J. Edgar gets none of the credit in going after the mob? My guess was it was all influenced by Hoover and that the Kennedy's went after the mob was in fear to Hoover.

In fact the Kennedy family tree has a rich tradition in bootlegging and heaven knows what else.

Kennedy in his short term was a wonderful president but he has reached almost folklore tales of a 2.5 year term. My parents kids of the great depression and WWII generation worshiped FDR and JFK. I was a little kid my memory of JFK is cowering in the corner hands over head in elementary school during fallout drills living in constant fear of Armageddon.

 

[mzpro5]

I guess J. Edgar gets none of the credit in going after the mob? My guess was it was all influenced by Hoover and that the Kennedy's went after the mob was in fear to Hoover.

In fact the Kennedy family tree has a rich tradition in bootlegging and heaven knows what else.

Kennedy in his short term was a wonderful president but he has reached almost folklore tales of a 2.5 year term. My parents kids of the great depression and WWII generation worshiped FDR and JFK. I was a little kid my memory of JFK is cowering in the corner hands over head in elementary school during fallout drills living in constant fear of Armageddon.

Hoover was dictating and blackmailing politicians long before the Kennedys were on the scene and not much was done to fight the real mob, Hoover was interested in the headline crooks like Dillinger, the Lindbergh kidnapping and the Rosenberg's. RFK was the driving force there.

And regarding Armageddon. We were having drills and hiding under desk long before Kennedy was Pres. Though the drills and such were silly there was a real threat of nuclear conflict.

 

[Srvy]

I guess J. Edgar gets none of the credit in going after the mob? My guess was it was all influenced by Hoover and that the Kennedy's went after the mob was in fear to Hoover.

In fact the Kennedy family tree has a rich tradition in bootlegging and heaven knows what else.

Kennedy in his short term was a wonderful president but he has reached almost folklore tales of a 2.5 year term. My parents kids of the great depression and WWII generation worshiped FDR and JFK. I was a little kid my memory of JFK is cowering in the corner hands over head in elementary school during fallout drills living in constant fear of Armageddon.

Hoover was dictating and blackmailing politicians long before the Kennedys were on the scene and not much was done to fight the real mob, Hoover was interested in the headline crooks like Dillinger, the Lindbergh kidnapping and the Rosenberg's. RFK was the driving force there.

And regarding Armageddon. We were having drills and hiding under desk long before Kennedy was Pres. Though the drills and such were silly there was a real threat of nuclear conflict.

Come now there was a video here once and the ramping up of Nuclear testing basically began in the 60s on and ballistic missiles and and the threat of mutually assured destruction? The Cold War really got fired up in this period I know it started with Truman and the airlift. Never that we know of were we as close as the Cuban Missile Crisis.

 

[Huey]

Air raid drills started in the late 40's. Two links that I found with an easy search: LINK1 and LINK2

 

[Srvy]

Air raid drills started in the late 40's. Two links that I found with an easy search: LINK1 and LINK2

Air Raids I know im talking Ballistic tipped missiles with the ability to destroy a nation. We could deal with bombers they would wreak some havoc but we had no defense against the other. Heck the fire bombing of Japan killed more people than 2 atom bombs there has always been air raid drills since the first guy decided to drop a bomb by hand from a Bi Plane.

 

[mzpro5]

Come now there was a video here once and the ramping up of Nuclear testing basically began in the 60s on and ballistic missiles and and the threat of mutually assured destruction? The Cold War really got fired up in this period I know it started with Truman and the airlift. Never that we know of were we as close as the Cuban Missile Crisis.

I try and be polite but you are just wrong.

Hundreds of nuclear tests were carried out from the late 40's and thru the entire '50s at various sites most notably the Bikini Atoll and the Nevada testing grounds. The first H bomb was set off in the Bikini Atoll in 1952. The Cuban Missile Crisis was in 1961 plenty of nukes around then and less than two years into the 60's. And the partial atmospheric test ban treaty was signed in 1962.

As an elementary school kid in the 50s I participated in those drills.

If the movie you are referring to is "From Trinity and Beyond" I suggest you view the entire movie to get an accurate history and timeline for testing and the threat.

 

[mzpro5]

Air raid drills started in the late 40's. Two links that I found with an easy search: LINK1 and LINK2

Air Raids I know im talking Ballistic tipped missiles with the ability to destroy a nation. We could deal with bombers they would wreak some havoc but we had no defense against the other. Heck the fire bombing of Japan killed more people than 2 atom bombs there has always been air raid drills since the first guy decided to drop a bomb by hand from a Bi Plane.

The true first ballistic missile was the V-2 from the Nazis in 1944.

The first US intercontinental ballistic rockets became operational in 1959. The Soviets had operational ICBM's in 1957. What we were concerned about in Cuba in Oct of 1961 was the placement of ICBM's in Cuba.

Yes there was hysteria in the 60s but it did not begin then. Please brush up a bit on your history.

 

[Rope]

I'm not ashamed to say that I miss Bush after the last few years. He may not have been the most graceful President, but at least he wasn't a camera whore. Cheney was the one you couldn't trust, and probably had more to do with us getting into Iraq than Bush did.

As far as Clinton, I'm more pissed that 30 million dollars of our money was spent to find out whether he got a hummer or not. Other than cheating on his wife, which is a big thing, the only other thing he did was utter the sexual relations line. He should have said it is nobody's business but him and his wife's as to what happened.

You're right. Just because Clinton lied about his Lewinsky tumble, doesn't mean he'd lie to his constituency. (Morality)

If we were to move all the felons out of Washington, what would we do with the vacant buildings and parking lots?

Rope

I'm not condoning anything he had done, but he was also setup to a point. Maybe not at the beginning, but what got drug out with the dress and everything was all a setup. Would this have ever happened with JFK, who probably had a lot more skeletons in the closet, but is usually regarded as one of the best Presidents we have ever had.

If he'd kept his swimmers in his pants, no one could have set him up. He set himself up for blackmail when he unleased Clinton junior.

Rope

 

[Srvy]

Missiles and and multiple warheads what am I missing here I know full well there were drills before Kennedy and the 60s. Missiles made it different with bombers there was a failsafe time to shut it off with missiles no warning making the pushing of the button a point of no return.

I also know what the Cuban Crisis was about parking Missiles so close to our coastline even though we had them pointed right at the USSR from Europe. And Submarines right around the corner able to hide along our coastline and deliver there payload. Kennedy knew this that's what made his game of chicken so dangerous.

You don't have to be polite Im a big boy I been called many things your opinion of me means nothing to me this is the internet. I dont go off to wiki or google read a brief outline then come back 20 minutes later as a full blown historian. I was born in 1956 im speaking of my memories as a child.